Surviving Scientology Radio Podcast With Mike Rinder Referenced in Garcia v. Scientology

10 February 2015: Tony Ortega today covered Church of Scientology attorney Bert Deixler’s deposition of Mike Rinder in Garcia v. Scientology.  Deixler asked Mike Rinder about the most recent interview he did with me on Surviving Scientology Radio.

Because this interview is of such intense interest to Scientology’s notorious Office of Special Affairs and its $1000-per-hour attorneys, it certainly bears reposting here in the public interest — particularly in terms of what Mike Rinder noted about his deposition over at his blog, “It is not especially enlightening as it was aimed at seeking dead agent material for the HBO Documentary and little about the case. But some may be interested in reading it.”

Mike Rinder Interview Podcast link: http://www.survivingscientologyradio.com/podcast/surviving-scientology-episode-27-with-mike-rinder

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Part of the exchange between Deixler and Rinder:

Deixler: Did you give — did you give a podcast or participate in a podcast recently?
Rinder: A podcast? Is that — is that Jeffrey Augustine, you mean?
Deixler: Yes.
Rinder: Yeah, I participated in that.
Deixler: And am I correct to say that in the course of that podcast you encouraged people to leave the Church of Scientology?
Rinder: I don’t know. You have a transcript there? I don’t know. Maybe I did. I don’t know.
Deixler: You don’t remember?
Rinder: No, I don’t remember.
Deixler: Do you remember participating in the podcast with Mr. Augustine?
Rinder: Yes. I just told you I did.
Deixler: And how — how long ago was that?
Rinder: Two weeks ago.
Deixler: OK. Sometime in the end of 2014?
Rinder: Uh-huh.
Deixler: Yes?
Rinder: Yes.
Deixler: And you don’t recall whether you encouraged people to leave the Church of Scientology —
Rinder: No, I don’t.
Deixler: — is that fair? OK. Do you remember saying anything like “you’ll get a lot further for a lot less money with a lot less pain and suffering if you left the Church of Scientology”?
Rinder: Yes, I do recall something like that.
Deixler: OK. And the reason for your saying that was to discourage people from remaining in the Church of Scientology, correct?
Rinder: No. I think that the reason for saying that was to let people know that there was an alternative.
Deixler: And the alternative is this Independent Church of Scientology?
Rinder: No. The alternative is whatever someone is looking for to resolve their spiritual needs.
Deixler: You encourage people to leave the Church of Scientology and look elsewhere for satisfaction of their spiritual needs; is that fair?
Rinder: That’s fair.
Deixler: And that’s something you’ve undertaken over a considerable period of time since you yourself left the Church of Scientology, correct?
Rinder: Yes, that’s correct.
Deixler: In fact, that’s been one of your principal both occupations and hobbies since you’ve left the Church of Scientology; is that fair?
Rinder: I would neither call it an occupation nor a hobby.

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