Description: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with former-Scientologist and podcaster Aaron Smith-Levin. They explore his upbringing within the “church,” how Scientology entices new members, the basis for Dianetics in Freudian psychology, the religiously inspired twist only found behind multiple paywalls, the higher being known as Xenu, what broke Aaron’s belief, and his now ongoing fight against the manipulation of this still relevant, international cult.
Our Note: Scientology’s Paid Cult Apologists, lead by the repugnant intellectual fraud Massimo Introvigne of CESNUR, have a profound challenge now that Jordan Peterson has agreed that Scientology is a cult.
Categories: The Scientology Money Project
I’m “left leaning” so try to put all that argument aside when listening to Jordan Peterson throw in his gratuitous comments.
I enjoyed his semi therapeutic conversation with Aaron.
All I would have added is simplifying Dianetics/Scientology down to it being a pseudo-therapy and form of exorcism/soul freeing, which aims as “soul memories” alleviation.
Aaron did of course excellent but I’d have mentioned the Xenu “implanting” of false memories into the souls which were mass murdered, where Xenu put the R6 implants into the soul minds of those souls, and that is a more philosophically/metaphysical answer as to why even after “Clear” a person will have debilitating unknown “soul memories” (the “OT case” is this mass of “case” which leak from the body-thetans, and the bulk of that bad “case” is the R6 implants from Xenu which is the 36 and 1/2 days of the implanting that followed the mass murdering by Xenu).
The common demoninator of what is “wrong” with humans is our “case” which is all soul memories, either our own, or the soul memories of our hitchhiking body-thetans, and it’s the R6 implanting done by Xenu of the body-thetans that together with the “Incident 1” memories, Aaron nicely explained that as the trillions of years ago spiritual big bang incident.
But “case” is what Hubbard thought he was alleviating, in humanity, through the auditing up to “Clear” and then the OT exorcism steps of OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7.
I enjoyed Peterson’s semi therapy interaction.
And Aaron’s answers were pretty spot on.
It reminds me of the Ted Koppel moment in media history, where I think “we” all had wished Miscavige could be so frank and get into the core spiritual guts of Hubbard’s Scientology subject.
Me, all I answer, when asked, is Scientology addresses our human “soul case” of soul memories, supposedly alleviating them.
And from talking to thousands of non Scientologists which I’ve done over the two decades I’ve been a non Scientologist, today I summarize Scientology’s beliefs as
pseudo-therapy
exorcism/soul-freeing
with the aim to alleviate our this and past lifetimes soul memories which are debilitating to us, and then the exorcism confidential steps are to eliminate surplus bodiless souls infesting our human body which leak their own Xenu R6 implanted bad memories upon us. That’s the double whammy soul memories alleviation of Scientology, supposedly.
Chuck Beatty
75-03 member/staffer of Scientology
Jeffrey,
On Introvigne, he allows for an alternative “label” for the cult word.
In his recent years talks given in China, he offered “criminal religious organization” as the alternative.
This hasn’t been picked up on by anyone yet, but if someone goes through his China visit talks he’s given, on Youtube, I did, and noticed he’s offered up calling a religious group a “criminal religious group.”
I feebly commented on one of those YouTube talks, if Introvigne has a time duration on how long society should consider a religious group as criminal, for instance since Scientology’s leader’s wife was jailed in Federal prison for Scientology’s felonies against the US Govt? No answer, but that is a valid question.
How long should the tried and convicted felonies of a “religious organization” continue to be grounds to keep labeling them as a “criminal religious organization.”
The “Fair Game” issue, the “crim regging”, the human trafficking, issues, which rise to the level of prosecution and sentencing against a “religious organization” or if a “religious organization” has “scriptures” which drive that religion’s members to commit per their rules, continuing criminal acts, that also is relevant to labelling a “religious organization” as a “criminal religious organization.”
That’s the type of paper or book that ought be written and entered into CESNUR and periodically updated every 5 or 10 years relating to this or that “religious organization.”
That’s something beyond me, but it’s something I had wished some academics somewhere would do.
Chuck Beatty
What a great interview with Dr. Jordan Peterson. What great exposure- and yes, Jordan did say Scientology was a cult. Aaron was articulate, intelligent, humble, and I was impressed he listened carefully. Dr. Peterson is brilliant and both men were able to keep my attention. I’ve followed Aaron since The Aftermath series on his YouTube Channel.