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Surviving Scientology Radio Podcast With Mike Rinder Referenced in Garcia v. Scientology

10 February 2015: Tony Ortega today covered Church of Scientology attorney Bert Deixler’s deposition of Mike Rinder in Garcia v. Scientology.  Deixler asked Mike Rinder about the most recent interview he did with me on Surviving Scientology Radio.

Because this interview is of such intense interest to Scientology’s notorious Office of Special Affairs and its $1000-per-hour attorneys, it certainly bears reposting here in the public interest — particularly in terms of what Mike Rinder noted about his deposition over at his blog, “It is not especially enlightening as it was aimed at seeking dead agent material for the HBO Documentary and little about the case. But some may be interested in reading it.”

Mike Rinder Interview Podcast link: http://www.survivingscientologyradio.com/podcast/surviving-scientology-episode-27-with-mike-rinder

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Part of the exchange between Deixler and Rinder:

Deixler: Did you give — did you give a podcast or participate in a podcast recently?
Rinder: A podcast? Is that — is that Jeffrey Augustine, you mean?
Deixler: Yes.
Rinder: Yeah, I participated in that.
Deixler: And am I correct to say that in the course of that podcast you encouraged people to leave the Church of Scientology?
Rinder: I don’t know. You have a transcript there? I don’t know. Maybe I did. I don’t know.
Deixler: You don’t remember?
Rinder: No, I don’t remember.
Deixler: Do you remember participating in the podcast with Mr. Augustine?
Rinder: Yes. I just told you I did.
Deixler: And how — how long ago was that?
Rinder: Two weeks ago.
Deixler: OK. Sometime in the end of 2014?
Rinder: Uh-huh.
Deixler: Yes?
Rinder: Yes.
Deixler: And you don’t recall whether you encouraged people to leave the Church of Scientology —
Rinder: No, I don’t.
Deixler: — is that fair? OK. Do you remember saying anything like “you’ll get a lot further for a lot less money with a lot less pain and suffering if you left the Church of Scientology”?
Rinder: Yes, I do recall something like that.
Deixler: OK. And the reason for your saying that was to discourage people from remaining in the Church of Scientology, correct?
Rinder: No. I think that the reason for saying that was to let people know that there was an alternative.
Deixler: And the alternative is this Independent Church of Scientology?
Rinder: No. The alternative is whatever someone is looking for to resolve their spiritual needs.
Deixler: You encourage people to leave the Church of Scientology and look elsewhere for satisfaction of their spiritual needs; is that fair?
Rinder: That’s fair.
Deixler: And that’s something you’ve undertaken over a considerable period of time since you yourself left the Church of Scientology, correct?
Rinder: Yes, that’s correct.
Deixler: In fact, that’s been one of your principal both occupations and hobbies since you’ve left the Church of Scientology; is that fair?
Rinder: I would neither call it an occupation nor a hobby.

Transcript:

Is Attorney Bert Deixler Risking the Church of Scientology’s Tax Exemption?

The Church of Scientology is fighting for its life in the Garcia v. Flag et. al. lawsuit. Garcia is alleging commercial fraud on the part of the Church of Scientology. If Garcia wins, the floodgates to other lawsuits against the Church of Scientology for commercial fraud are flung wide open. The instances of Scientology and its front groups lying in order to raise money are legion, e.g. Narconon has more than 27 lawsuits against it for allegations related to lying to families of drug addicts about the type and efficacy of treatment services offered by Narconon.

Former Scientology “second in command” Mark “Marty” Rathbun has been called as a key witness by Garcia. Scientology attorney Bert Deixler deposed Rathbun. Tony Ortega posted more video of the deposition at his blog today. We post Tony’s YT video below.

In this video, Scientology attorney Deixler attempts to use a letter Rathbun wrote to David Miscavige in 1993 to impeach Rathbun’s credibility. However, the problem in doing so is that Rathbun opens up a Pandora’s Box concerning the Church of Scientology wholesale violations of the priest-penitent privilege; Founder L. Ron Hubbard; Scientology’s notorious Fair Game policy; and the 1993 tax exemption the IRS granted Scientology.

Deixler pushing Rathbun to read the internal “Liability Formula” Rathbun wrote in 1993 — which document is allegedly priest-penitent in nature — is proof that the Church uses privileged ecclesiastical folders against former members. This is inherently Fair Game and an egregious violation of what the David Miscavige, Mark Rathbun, Monique Yingling, and other CSI lawyers told the IRS in support of gain tax exemption.

Deixler leads with his chin in this deposition and allows Rathbun to state on the record that Scientology’s vicious Fair Game policy was never cancelled. By introducing Rathbun’s 1993 “Liability Formula” into the record, Deixler also hands Church critics further evidence that the Church uses private “ecclesiastical confessions” against former members. This is an egregious violation of the priest-penitent privilege.

How did Deixler get a copy of a private confession Rathbun wrote to Miscavige? In my opinion, the letter had to have come directly from Miscavige via the Church of Scientology’s notorious Office of Special Affairs (OSA). I say this because Miscavige would have had to instruct OSA to deliver this confessional letter to Deixler. Moreover, this private letter would have been in Rathbun’s CSI-owned “pc folder” thus showing Miscavige’s complete control over CSI and OSA Legal.

Finally, in attempting to establish a foundation, Deixler allows Rathbun to discuss tax exemption thus opening the door to this question: If what Mark Rathbun said in his 1993 Liability Formula was untrue, then was what Mark Rathbun told the IRS in pursuit of tax exemption also untrue? Rathbun was an indispensable and central figure in Scientology obtaining tax exemption.

Deixler’s attempt to impeach Rathbun goes to impeaching the truthfulness of the Church’s tax exemption as well — and this could become a matter for a Grand Jury or DOJ probe.

Deixler and Miscavige can’t have it only one way: Attacking Rathbun is attacking tax exemption is attacking Miscavige.

The Church of Scientology: One big ball of wax.

The Core of Scientology is Its Malicious System of Sham Contracts

As reported by Tony Ortega, the Church of Scientology has moved to strike the affidavit of Mike Rinder in the Garcia case.

Essentially, the Church of Scientology wants to prevent  the  Garcia’s from using Rinder’s specific knowledge that Scientology created sham legal documents designed to deter and defeat refund requests from Scientologists who request refunds.

Rinder

As we noted in our earlier blog entry, the entire purpose of Scientology contracts is to legally cripple its own members:

How Scientology Inc. Legally Cripples Its Own Members: The Four Unconscionable Contracts

Taken altogether, the contracts of adhesion employed by the Church of Scientology constitute a pattern of bad faith, fraud, and a willful and malicious intent to deceive new members at the outset.

The real core of Scientology is composed of its malicious system of sham contracts.

The intake system used by the Church is designed to strip a person of all of their civil rights from the very beginning. The Church’s fascist demand that members forfeit their Constitutional rights as a precondition of membership and participation is an indictment of the Church as a malicious entity. The series of contracts reveal an intent on the part of the Church, its agents, and even its own clergy to harm Scientologists in various ways while attempting to evade the legal consequences of the harm the Church inflicts upon people.

Scientology’s malicious and unconscionable contracts constitute bad faith and fraud on the part of the ecclesiastical hierarchy of Scientology churches. Furthermore, the “ecclesiastical hierarchy” is nothing more than a franchise system designed to cheat and defraud customers under the ruse of selling religious goods and services,

The “Church” itself does not stand behind the goods and services it sells and will, generally speaking, not issue refund as it told the IRS.  Refunds are only given if sufficient legal threat is leveled. For this reason, imo, anyone seeking a refund should instead consider suing individual churches, the Church of Scientology International, RTC, CST, and David Miscavige by name. These lawsuits should be widely publicized.

My personal emphasis in Scientology criticism long ago shifted away from space opera and celebrities and towards the legal and corporate framework — and in particular the bogus and malicious system of contracts at the heart of the Church of Scientology.

Once you strip away  “Xenu and the celebrities” what is the Church of Scientology in actuality?

The answer is simple: A dishonest and greedy franchise system that hides behind malicious contracts and 501(c)3 status. Once the 501(c)3 status is revoked, the franchise system will fall apart under legal scrutiny.

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Enabled and assisted in its various frauds by its cretinous and despicable non-Scientology lawyers, the Church of Scientology never discloses or makes known to new members he intrinsically dishonest nature of the Church of Scientology and its system of sham contracts, bonds, waivers, interrogations, disconnection, fines, and penalties. The unalloyed malice of the Church of Scientol0gy against its own members speaks to the inherent paranoia, deceit,  aggression, and treachery of the Church.

To be as blunt as possible: You will be cheated, tricked, lied to, abused, and deceived in every way possible once you become a member of the Church of Scientology. And there is nothing you can do about it because you have signed away all of your civil rights as a precondition of joining the Church.

A Scientologist cannot sue the Church on its own terms or he or she will lose. The Church a rigged casino, a Mafia with its own rules.

Therefore, the Scientology system of contracts has to be put on trial. The system of contracts is designed to to deprive all Scientologists — Sea Org, Staff, and Publics — of their Constitutional rights.

IMO, this is the essence of the matter: The Scientology “religion” cannot be put on trial in America but its system of sham contracts can and should be put on trial.

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Scientology’s motion to strike Mike Rinder’s affidavit: